Assistance from my attorney
Desiree:
Mr Lozano informed me that you had asked him if he could help you obtain the certified copy of the custody order. It would be a conflict of interest for him to assist you, unless I explicitly authorize him to do so. I did not provide such authorization. No assistance will be forthcoming from my attorney.
Fox
I called the courthouse this morning and spoke with them. There are many steps involved in me obtaining another certified copy of the court order and there is no way I will be able to get it in time for Gabriel to visit Mr. Fox over the winter break. Since I refuse to let Mr. Fox's pettiness and incorrect assumptions about me disappoint my son, I am offering to pay for the cost of Mr. Lozano obtaining a certified copy of the court order and sending it to the passport office on my behalf. Mr. Lozano - provided Mr. Fox does not forbid you from doing this, please send me the bill.
I just want to point out that this OBVIOUSLY sounds like someone who is going to great lengths to deny the visit!
Interesting. So, by "great lengths" you mean "doing nothing", right? Because, that's actually what I'm doing - nothing. I requested Mr. Lozano to NOT do anything to assist you. How is that "going to great lengths"?
Please tell me how many times I screwed up in the past 2 years and required your assistance?
Have you considered simply taking a day off work and driving to LA to get the document? Contrary to what you said, obtaining another certified copy is just a matter of showing up at the clerk's office on the 9th floor, showing your ID and paying the fee. It really is that easy.
I meant me - not you, you waste of skin. And yeah - that's a little more complicated with 2 kids Fox. I don't want to hear anything else from you. Have your lawyer speak to me ONLY or fire him!
Okay, but even if you were talking about yourself: All you're doing now is trying to make it seem like you're making a reasonable attempt to resolve the issue so you can say in court, it wasn't your fault and you did everything you could to fix it.
- You know my attorney isn't going to help you.
- There are many other attorneys you can hire to do this for you.
- You could have told the truth at the hearing and the court would have directed my attorney to get the certified copy for you at that time.
- You could have obtained the certified copy when the woman at the courthouse told you the one you have might not be sufficient.
- You can go to LA in person and get the copy right now (it's only a 6 1/2 hour drive).
- This whole situation is entirely the result of your own actions (you caused it to happen by calling DHS).
- You had months to obtain the passport prior to the court ordering you to do so.
Okay, I'll tell you what. You send me the money for the 1.5 hours of Mr. Lozano's time and I'll authorize him to get the certified copy of the order for you.
WHAT? Why do you want me to send you the money? That's not legitimate at all!! Why not a bill for the amount from the lawyer??
Because the attorney for one party cannot bill the other party. That's called a conflict of interest. Don't you know ANYTHING about the law? He can bill me for it and I can try to get it back from you but he can't receive money from you directly. Geez!
And since I don't trust you with money (and for very good reason), then when I receive the payment from you I will authorize Mr. Lozano to do get the copy.
Seems reasonable to me.
Don't you get it Fox - that will not be quick enough to get Gabriel a passport for the visit! Is it that you don't care at all about seeing your son? Is this worth sacrificing him? I don't have the money right now - I just paid my rent. This is not on me anymore. This is all on you. I'm done trying to go out of my way. You don't care about seeing him, why should I?
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And who's fault would that be? Oh, yeah, yours - because you didn't take care of this two months ago, like a responsible, caring parent who knew the child would be traveling to Canada would have.
I do care, and I do want him to come here for the Winter Break. What does that have to do with you screwing up again and expecting me to bail you out (again)?
How am I "sacrificing him"? If he misses the trip because of your negligence then it is YOUR fault and we go back to court and tell the judge about how you're refusing to let him visit me and I request that custody be returned to me because you're obviously violating the court order and preventing me from having a relationship with my child. And in the time he was with me I never once interfered with your visitation or access to him.
Okay, so you're irresponsible and can't manage your money. How is that anyone's problem but yours? Do you seriously think that either I, or my attorney, would take your credit? Please!
Dude! This is 100% your fault and your doing. YOU refused to take care of this 2 months ago when you could have done something about it. It's obvious that this is a ploy on your part to not have to let Gabriel come up here. You're going to go to court and claim that it's not your fault and you did everything you could. But, the record shows your refusal to cooperate two months ago.
Please tell me one time you've gone out of your way for me or for Gabriel. What you're doing right now is not going out of your way. You're begging for people to bail you out of a mess that you created. And, even then, you're only doing it for show. You just want to be able to say in court that you tried. But, I've given you numerous options to solve the problem, including going to the courthouse yourself, and you refuse to do any of them. So, you're just putting on a show.
I do, but I'm not going to keep jumping through your hoops and putting out your fires.
Don't you get it Fox - that will not be quick enough to get Gabriel a passport for the visit!
And who's fault would that be? Oh, yeah, yours - because you didn't take care of this two months ago, like a responsible, caring parent who knew the child would be traveling to Canada would have.
I am not bound to comply with any of YOUR demands and you make some pretty outrageous ones. There was no way of knowing 2 months ago if or when "the child" would be traveling out of the country.
Is it that you don't care at all about seeing your son?
I do care, and I do want him to come here for the Winter Break. What does that have to do with you screwing up again and expecting me to bail you out (again)?
Name the exact times and circumstances that you have "bailed me out". Once I have those, then we can discuss this point.
Is this worth sacrificing him?
How am I "sacrificing him"? If he misses the trip because of your negligence then it is YOUR fault and we go back to court and tell the judge about how you're refusing to let him visit me and I request that custody be returned to me because you're obviously violating the court order and preventing me from having a relationship with my child. And in the time he was with me I never once interfered with your visitation or access to him.
You keep talking about fault and courts, I am referring to time spent with him - not about courts or fault. You interfered with almost every visitation that was scheduled with me when you had him, but I'll give you one specific example: Refusing to physically take him to the airport and put him on the plane because it wasn't stated in the court order. I drove to get him because of that. Or the multiple times that you said the date and time of the plane tickets I purchased weren't conducive to your schedule. I switched times and dates multiple times to accommodate you. I have more, but I'll stop there.
This is not on me anymore. This is all on you.
Dude! This is 100% your fault and your doing. YOU refused to take care of this 2 months ago when you could have done something about it. It's obvious that this is a ploy on your part to not have to let Gabriel come up here. You're going to go to court and claim that it's not your fault and you did everything you could. But, the record shows your refusal to cooperate two months ago.
I am not a dude. I was under NO order to get him a passport 2 months ago. This is not 100% my fault. I am trying to do something about it now and you are not allowing any of it. There is no ploy on my part. I still have the non-certified copy of the court order in my possession therefore - that is not what was given to the passport office. I gave them the certified copy I had.
I'm done trying to go out of my way.
Please tell me one time you've gone out of your way for me or for Gabriel. What you're doing right now is not going out of your way. You're begging for people to bail you out of a mess that you created. And, even then, you're only doing it for show. You just want to be able to say in court that you tried. But, I've given you numerous options to solve the problem, including going to the courthouse yourself, and you refuse to do any of them. So, you're just putting on a show.
I gave you multiple examples in the "in line" answer above of how I have gone out of my way for Gabriel. I am begging no one to bail me out of anything and I have created no mess. The passport office sent me a letter saying they needed another copy of the documentation. You're the one that filed the motion to move the court case to California - a place that neither one of us resides in. If you and your attorney will not get the document then I will write the letter and include the fee and send the document to the passport office when I get it. It will not be in time for winter vacation - I was simply trying to get him up there to see you.
You don't care about seeing him, why should I?
I do, but I'm not going to keep jumping through your hoops and putting out your fires.
Obviously not enough to get over yourself and do what needs to be done for him. Name the exact times and circumstances that you have had to "jump through hoops" for me AND/OR "put out my fires." Once you have specified those, we can discuss this point.
Don't you get it Fox - that will not be quick enough to get Gabriel a passport for the visit!
And who's fault would that be? Oh, yeah, yours - because you didn't take care of this two months ago, like a responsible, caring parent who knew the child would be traveling to Canada would have.
I am not bound to comply with any of YOUR demands and you make some pretty outrageous ones. There was no way of knowing 2 months ago if or when "the child" would be traveling out of the country.
And that's exactly the attitude that got you in the current mess. Good job. Way to go. And, yes, there was a way to know Gabriel would be traveling in the very near future: basic common sense! Only a fool would think the court would not grant one of us visitation. And, either way, why wait until he actually NEEDS the passport, to apply for it? Are you one of those idiot people that think you're not supposed to apply for a passport until you actually intend to travel?
Is it that you don't care at all about seeing your son?
I do care, and I do want him to come here for the Winter Break. What does that have to do with you screwing up again and expecting me to bail you out (again)?
Name the exact times and circumstances that you have "bailed me out". Once I have those, then we can discuss this point.
- Right now.
- The time you were committed to a psychiatric hospital.
- The time you wrecked the Toyota on the 405.
- The time you got mad and starting punching yourself in the stomach when you were pregnant with Gabriel, which lead the bleeding and I took you to the UCLA hospital on Carson.
Let's start with that. Then, if you wish, I can go over my records and send you more.
Is this worth sacrificing him?
How am I "sacrificing him"? If he misses the trip because of your negligence then it is YOUR fault and we go back to court and tell the judge about how you're refusing to let him visit me and I request that custody be returned to me because you're obviously violating the court order and preventing me from having a relationship with my child. And in the time he was with me I never once interfered with your visitation or access to him.
You keep talking about fault and courts, I am referring to time spent with him - not about courts or fault.
Then perhaps you could be a little more clear when you speak. Is English your second language or something? Didn't you require at least one English credit to graduate?
You interfered with almost every visitation that was scheduled with me when you had him,
How so? Please tell me how I ever interfered with any of your visitation.
but I'll give you one specific example: Refusing to physically take him to the airport and put him on the plane because it wasn't stated in the court order.
That's not interfering - travel arrangements were your responsibility and you were being deliberately difficult - scheduling his flight to conflict with pre-existing school obligations.
I drove to get him because of that.
So. If you hadn't waited until the last minute to make the arrangements then gone ahead and made them without checking whether they conflicted then the problem wouldn't have happened...see, again, YOU created the problem by being irresponsible and waiting until the last minute then expecting everyone to accommodate you.
Or the multiple times that you said the date and time of the plane tickets I purchased weren't conducive to your schedule.
That happened one time - because you bought him a plane ticket for the middle of a weekday, on exactly the first day of my new job. Also, this is the same event as you mentioned above - it counts as one point, not two.
I switched times and dates multiple times to accommodate you.
Wrong, you did it 1 time. And not to accommodate me - to spite me. On the one hand you complained that I didn't have a job, then when I finally got a job, you scheduled Gabriel's flight in the middle of the day, on the first day of that job. Then you blame ME for being difficult? Nice.
I have more, but I'll stop there.
Thank you. How is it that you are wrong 100% of the time? You know why I always have an explanation for my actions? Because I think about what I say and do before I say and do them.
This is not on me anymore. This is all on you.
Dude! This is 100% your fault and your doing. YOU refused to take care of this 2 months ago when you could have done something about it. It's obvious that this is a ploy on your part to not have to let Gabriel come up here. You're going to go to court and claim that it's not your fault and you did everything you could. But, the record shows your refusal to cooperate two months ago.
I am not a dude. I was under NO order to get him a passport 2 months ago.
See! There you go again. "I was under no order..." A decent person and good parent doesn't wait until they're ordered by a court to do something. THAT is why you are nothing more than trailer trash. Because the way you think. Your little UOP degree will not rise you above that level. But, you see, that is the problem...in your mind you're entirely justified refusing to do something if the court hasn't ordered you to do it. You don't care about what's best for Gabriel; you only care about what you can get away with. And that statement proves it.
This is not 100% my fault. I am trying to do something about it now and you are not allowing any of it.
You're like person that mugs a little old lady then says "I won't do it again" and expects everything to be alright. Only one person in the entire world has the authority to obtain Gabriel's passport - YOU! Therefore it is 100% your fault because you could have applied for it 6 months ago but you didn't. You could have applied for it in September, when I asked you...but you refused (because the court didn't order you to?).
And how am I "not allowing any of it"? It's not my fault or my responsibility. What is it you think I should do? Give you money? Have MY attorney go to the courthouse to get you the order (at my expense)? I am doing nothing to stop or prevent you from getting the order. Refusing to "help" you is not the same as "preventing" you.
There is no ploy on my part.
Then how do you justify not applying for the passport when a responsible person would have? And how do you justify not requesting the certified copy of the order when the woman at the courthouse told you they wouldn't accept the one you had? Rather than waiting until you knew you wouldn't have time to get it. Are we to believe this is all just an accident? You do realize most of what I'm saying is actually just your own words over the past few months right?
I still have the non-certified copy of the court order in my possession therefore - that is not what was given to the passport office. I gave them the certified copy I had.
Well, when I spoke with them they said the one that you submitted was not a "certified" copy. Do you even know what makes it "certified"?
I'm done trying to go out of my way.
Please tell me one time you've gone out of your way for me or for Gabriel. What you're doing right now is not going out of your way. You're begging for people to bail you out of a mess that you created. And, even then, you're only doing it for show. You just want to be able to say in court that you tried. But, I've given you numerous options to solve the problem, including going to the courthouse yourself, and you refuse to do any of them. So, you're just putting on a show.
I gave you multiple examples in the "in line" answer above of how I have gone out of my way for Gabriel.
Where? I don't see it?
I am begging no one to bail me out of anything and I have created no mess.
Then what is this conversation even about? Why are you emailing my attorney and asking him to go to the court for you?
The passport office sent me a letter saying they needed another copy of the documentation. You're the one that filed the motion to move the court case to California - a place that neither one of us resides in.
But I do reside in California. And I have every intention of keeping the case there. I did not "move" the case to California. It was already in California, and you tried to move it to Arizona. I was reacting to what you were doing.
If you and your attorney will not get the document then I will write the letter and include the fee and send the document to the passport office when I get it.
That's fine. If you believe that's the only option available to you then it shows that you've put very little effort into trying to resolve this matter.
It will not be in time for winter vacation - I was simply trying to get him up there to see you.
No you weren't this whole thing was deliberate on your part. You admitted it yourself, multiple times, that the woman at the courthouse told you they probably won't accept the document you were submitting. Any reasonable person would have taken action at that point, rather than waiting until it's too late. Moreover, save the "I want Gabriel to have a relationship with both parents" and the "I have no problem with Gabriel visiting Fox in Vancouver" bullshit, because until the court has ordered you to do anything you've consistently tried to bar me from having any contact with Gabriel.
You don't care about seeing him, why should I?
I do, but I'm not going to keep jumping through your hoops and putting out your fires.
Obviously not enough to get over yourself and do what needs to be done for him. Name the exact times and circumstances that you have had to "jump through hoops" for me AND/OR "put out my fires." Once you have specified those, we can discuss this point.
- Right now.
- December 30, 2011 when you changed his travel plans the day he was supposed to travel.
- June 2012 when you booked his flight on my first day at my new job.
- January 2, 2013 when you had DHS agents detain me so you could try to get custody by default.
- March 20, 2013 when you, again, had DHS detain me.
- October 2013 when you refused to let Gabriel visit me during his Fall Break even though you tried to make arrangements for him to visit Liz.
- August 2011 when you took Gabriel to Arizona and tried to get custody of him there.
Shall I continue?
Good day.
Good day, indeed.
Anyway, I don't know why you're bothering to put on a show. Gabriel has said he wants to remain with you, in Arizona, so it's not like I'm going to go to court and request he be returned to me. Even if you came right out and said you won't let him come here, there's not much I can do other than ask the court to order you to stop interfering with his visitation.
Then help me get his passport so he can come see you already...I will send you the money for the cost. It may have to be in a couple payments but I'll get it to you. I can do $150 on the 13th to start.
Well, since Gabriel doesn't require a passport to travel from the US to Canada, by land (only when flying), here's what I can do for you: I will get you and him a flight from Phoenix to Seattle; from there you can rent a car and drive him either to the border, where I can meet him, or you can bring him to YVR, where you can drop off the rental car and catch a flight back to Phoenix. Then, you just have to worry about getting the passport and sending it to him before he has to return on January 3 or 4.
If you're still not able to get the passport by then, then you can fly up here, rent another car, and catch another domestic flight with him from Seattle back to Phoenix.
I think this is just as reasonable a proposal as your proposal that I take him to the shoe store, have him pick out a pair and you would mail them to him. Hell, I'll even pay for your flight!
No. I changed my mind. I'll cover the up front cost of your flight but you'll have to reimburse me.
I'm sorry Fox - I am in the process of getting hired on at another company and there's no way I will be able to take the time off that soon after starting. You'll just have to hold me in contempt of court for not having the foresight to know that the passport office would not accept the document I had. I will write to the courthouse today and enclose the fee for the document and as soon as it arrives I'll send it in to the passport office.
Gee. When I started a new job and you insisted Gabriel fly on my first day of work you went as far as calling the court to cry to them about me being inflexible. And now I'm supposed to empathize with you for being in the same situation? Am I to believe you will be working 7 days a week at that new job? I find that a little hard to believe.
See, I give you solutions and you try to find excuses not to use them. You never intended for Gabriel to make the trip. This is all just note of your games.
Good day. I guess we'll be in court on December 23rd.
Of you'll remember jackass I called you and arranged a different flight that would be more conducive with your schedule. That's was simply a matter of taking him to the local airport! What your proposing is multiple days off, traveling out of the country - a little different and something that can be avoided altogether.
You only decided to change his flight AFTER the court told you I was right and there wasn't anything you could do.
I am not requiring you you leave the country. You can bring him to the border and I can pick him up there. You could catch a flight Saturday morning and be home Saturday evening.
I don't see the problem.
Obviously, you're just being difficult because you don't want Gabriel to come here for his winter break.
So what happens if I don't get the passport in time for his return? I have to buy the plane tickets for us to get back? This is so much more expensive and complicated than just having your lawyer get the fucking document. I don't see how I'm being the difficult one here...let me see if I can somehow arrange this
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So what happens if I don't get the passport in time for his return?
Then you fly to Vancouver or Seattle and pick him up.
I have to buy the plane tickets for us to get back?
Yes! This is not my fault or my problem. Jesus fucking Christ! You created this fucking mess by not getting the passport two months ago, when I asked you to, because you were too concerned with being a difficult fucking cunt who just wants to make things hard for me! And now you expect people to accommodate you and do things for you. Well, fuck you!!!! Can I say it any more clearly for you? You've been playing your stupid fucking games the whole time Gabriel's been with you but now you want me to be mature and put everything aside for Gabriel's sake? Shove it up your fucking ass!!! And yes, I'm pissed off. I'm pissed off that you could be such a fucking idiot that you think the world just forgets all your stupid fucking head games and drama because now you fucked up and we're all supposed to feel sorry for you. God damn it! Stop blaming everyone else for your fuckups! YOU COULD HAVE DONE THIS 5 MONTHS AGO BUT YOU DIDN'T BECAUSE YOU WANTED AN EXCUSE TO DELAY IT WHEN THE TIME CAME! Do you get it now? Do you think me, and my attorney and the court are so stupid that we didn't know that's what you're up to? The only difference is the court won't accuse you openly of it.
This is so much more expensive and complicated than just having your lawyer get the fucking document.
Yes, it is. I'm just doing the same stupid thing you've been doing for the last 2 years. So don't get mad at me for throwing your own shit back at you.
I don't see how I'm being the difficult one here...let me see if I can somehow arrange this
Do whatever the fuck you want. If Gabriel is not here on December 21, 2013 then we go back to court. Period. There is nothing more to say about it. I've fulfilled my responsibility. The passport is YOUR responsibility so just fucking take care of it. Stop asking me to help you. God you're just such a fucking pathetic fucking loser. Get a fucking life and leave me alone!
I'd also like to point out that in June of last year I was only asking you to either change the flight to one in the evening, after work, or for the next day (Saturday). You bitched that the evening flight would cost you more money, and that the Saturday flight would result in you losing a day of visitation. Tell me how unreasonable I was being!
Maybe I did bitch, but I did it - didn't I? I did accommodate you.
I looked it over, there's no way I'll be able to handle going back and forth to Seattle. I have done what I was instructed to do. I brought this up as a potential issue in court, I was shot down. This is now on you to resolve. I am not going to do all the work and no court would hold me responsible for what the passport office and federal government has said. I have attempted every reasonable solution and you have stubbornly denied them. I cannot and will not agree to this insane Seattle proposition.
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No, you did NOT "accommodate" me. You made Gabriel's travel arrangements without checking whether or not I had conflicting obligations and you provided me less than the required two weeks notice. It was your screw up (as usual) and all you did was fix your own mistake. And only because I adamantly refused to "accommodate" your screw up...and only after I called the court and they admitted that, under the circumstances, I was not required to honor your arrangements. You really do live in some strange alternate reality, don't you?
Oh well, sucks to be you. I guess you should have been responsible and taken care of the passport back in September, like I asked you to.
The court knew you would not be able to get the passport in time (only a fool would think otherwise). It's cute, though, that you think this is all my fault.
You were "shot down" because the court knew I had been asking you for months, to get the passport and you'd been refusing. It was in the declaration.
No, it absolutely is NOT. I'm not the one that refused to apply for the passport when there was sufficient time to do so. Why do you insist in trying to make it my responsibility?
Yes. They absolutely will hold you responsible - for playing your stupid games for the past 12 months and refusing to do what you should have known you were going to need to do. The court already holds you responsible - that's why they gave you an order they knew you would not be able to comply with. And you ARE going to do all the work because (A) you were ordered to; and (B) it's your responsibility - you're the parent with sole legal and physical custody, which, I might point out, is what you wanted.
Which reasonable solutions have you attempted? The only thing you've attempted is to ask other people to take care of it for you, with the promise of paying them back in the future (not a very credible promise), then got mad and blamed them when they said no.
Okay.
So, what have you decided is going to be your plan, if anything? I would like to make the necessary/appropriate arrangements.
Your refusal to assist in anything logical makes it impossible for me to do anything but request the document from the courthouse. You refuse to do anything but make me go way out of the way for something you believe incorrectly. If you have your lawyer get the document and send it in, have him bill you separately for it, and send it in to the passport office then there's a chance we can still make this work in time for the visit. I shouldn't even have to pay for this at all since I brought this up as a potential issue in court and was shot down, but I will. The ball is in your court now - you tell me what we're going to doing about this.
You never actually stated, in court, that you would not be able to obtain the passport in time. You stated that you believe the processing time for the expedited service would be about two weeks. Then the judge made a comment about things with the government rarely happen on time. Then, there was a lot of discussion about what document you would need to provide to show sole legal custody and whether the clerks office would be able to get it to you in time. Then you stated that you had received a certified copy in June and didn't need another one. Then the judge admonished you not to delay in submitting the application and my attorney said that I would pay for the full cost of the passport and expedited fee. Nowhere in here did you say, or even suggest, that you didn't think you could obtain it in time.
I'm guessing you haven't been purchasing copies of the transcripts for your records. That's too bad.
Anyway, you keep saying the ball is in my court, and that it's on me now ... but NOOOOO. I have fulfilled MY responsibilities. And you can fulfil yours, without my help.
Do you have a certified and legal copy of Gabriel's birth certificate?
I have an original, state issued birth certificate obtained from the Arizona Department of Vital Statistics. It is a legal, state issued document, but it is not "certified". I'm not familiar with certified birth certificates.
It is exactly like the one that Liz gave you when you took Gabriel to Arizona in 2011.
Oh, let me try to make this as clear as possible for you: I will do everything I can to make sure Gabriel comes here for his Winter Break, and goes snowboarding on December 25th at Grouse Mountain. But I will not fulfil your legal obligations and responsibilities for you. And I will not do anything to help you get out of any messes that you have gotten (and will get) yourself into.
Is that clear enough?
I have a plan in place, and as long as you remain predictable, I can guarantee Gabriel will be here for his winter break.
That is anything but clear. What does that mean? You have turned a really simple thing into an all out war for no reason. Do what you will.
Im tired and I'm done. I don't fear whatever consiquencrs you believe I will incure. Please stop this stupid email thread already.
But, I'm just acting the same way you have been acting? Proposing ridiculous solutions when I would ask you for something (though in my case I was asking for something for Gabriel, not me); saying no to every request, no matter how reasonable. How come its okay for you to act that way, but not for me?
Oh well.
I respectfully request that you keep me promptly informed of the status of obtaining Gabriel's passport and/or other document(s) which may be used for the purpose of his travel by air between Canada and the United States during his Winter Break in December 2013 and January 2014. In particular, please inform me immediately upon receiving Gabriel's passport.
Until I receive such notice from you or your duly authorized representative, in writing (which shall include email), I will continue to presume that you do not intend to release Gabriel to me for his Winter Break visitation as directed by the Superior Court of California on October 31, 2013. Such presumption notwithstanding, I shall intend to be present at the Vancouver International Airport on December 21, 2013 no later than 4:30PM PST to meet Gabriel, in the event you fail to notify me of receipt of his passport and proceed with transporting him to Sky Harbor International Airport in time to board his scheduled flight on December 21, 2013, pursuant to the flight information I emailed you on or about November 9, 2013, particularly WestJet Flight #1771 departing Sky Harbor International Airport at 1:30PM PST.
I trust that everything stated herein is sufficiently clear, however should you have any questions please feel free to forward them to me at your earliest opportunity.
Fox
Gabriel's passport arrived in the mail today. He will be "released" to you for winter break as scheduled. However, I do not recall seeing return flight inormation. Please forward me the return fight information for Gabriel's return flight on January 5th, 2014.
Alright. I will forward you a bill for the attorney fees this weekend. I believe you said you would be able to start making payments on the December 13, 2013.
I have not purchased the return flight yet but will forward you the information as soon as I do.
Did you receive the latest documents which were filed on Monday, yet?
I'm not paying any of your lawyer fees. Your lawyer didn't do what I offered to pay for. Yes, I got the form for the dissolution of marriage.
May you please scan or take a picture of the passport and forward it to me? For proof that you actually received it. You understand that I don't believe a word you say, right?
Fox
I knew you wouldn't believe me.
Well, of course, I wouldn't. Dude! You lie incessantly!
No. I don't.
We've already covered this ground to death, but since I love proving you wrong so much, when I get home I will provide you with an updated list of lies that you have been caught in.
sure...go for it. Everything you say is speculation - you're not here...therefore, you don't know that I quit smoking cigarettes, haven't smoked pot in months, don't do any other drugs, don't go out on weekends, don't spend money on me, didn't spend any money of the trip to Vegas (which was a family reunion and not for a friend as you thought), not kept Gabriel's mail from him, haven't interfered with any of his packages, submitted the correct information to the passport office, and actually receive his passport. but here's the pictures. Now - say what you want, you DON'T KNOW THE FACTS ABOUT ANYTHING.
Come on. Don't be so silly. I've been paying an investigator to check on you periodically, since September. I'm not as clued out as you're trying to convince yourself I am. Anyway, I'm at work right now. I'll send you the updated list of lies when I get home.
Fox
Ok...and?
What do the bumper stickers on my car say?
I don't pay him to compile trivial details like that. He's never included whether or not you have bumper stickers on your car or what they and I wouldn't expect him to put his time and effort into that - not at my expense anyway.
But, I can tell you that bumper stickers are tacky and trashy (like tattoos), so I'm sure you do have some on your car.
Wow...it's a AAA sticker. Real trashy
Well, admitting it is the first step, I suppose.
Tell me this: If I, and my opinion, mean so little to you, why do you keep arguing with me?
I think you think that you still love me and your hurt that I can be so blase about you
We were never together for love. Love was never a part of our relationship. I didn't live you then or any day since. I ignore so many of your emails, way more than I respond to. And if one is going into a battle, one must know what opposition they will be facing.
You're so cute when you're angry. So, why do you keep responding? I know why I respond to your emails.
If you were not with me because you believed you loved me then what was your motive for wanting to have a child with me and to marry me? I know exactly what my motives were. And I'd be glad to share them with you but you claim to not care so I won't bother.
You say things like in the attached email but it sounds like gibberish because you never provide an explanation to back it up. You just say these things to try to save face or to spite the other person. It's very primitive.
Okay, now I can give this my full attention.
First, I shall address a few of your points:
I don't need to be there to know what's going on.
I shall reserve comment at this time.
Actually, YOU said it was your friend's wedding.
Now, to the point - lies you've been caught in, either through later admission or by making contradictory statements:
- you stated in court that you already had a "certified copy" of the order; you still insist that it was a certified copy but that by removing the staples you rendered it non-certified. You admit the staples were removed prior to making the statement in court, therefore you did not, at the time of making the statement, have a certified copy.
- you stated many times (though we'll count it as one, for simplicity) that Kristopher was NOT engaging in criminal activity while you were living with him ... nuff said.
- you stated many times (again, we'll count it as one) that Kristopher was NOT using drugs when you were living with him ... again, nuff said.
- you stated that you were not the one that called DHS and filed a report about me.
- you said that you would never force Gabriel to go live with you against his will.
- you said you would not pressure Gabriel to have a relationship with you and that you would move at a pace that he's comfortable with.
- you said I hid Gabriel from you for 9 years.
- you said you were not arrested for possession of marijuana on September 27, 2011.
- you said Kristopher was not arrested for forgery in December 2011.
- you said you had already started Gabriel at the new school when you moved to Peoria.
- you said you have been receiving the highest allowable raises each year that you had been with Apollo Group - you later said you hadn't received ANY raises.
- you said you hadn't interfered with my mail to Gabriel in January/February 2013 (Gabriel admitted to me that he received all of my letters at once, around the second week of February) which means you kept them from him until the court sternly told you not to withhold them.
- you said other people had been able to leave messages for Gabriel on your home phone in January/February 2013 while I was in custody.
- you said the phone you got Gabriel in 2012 was turned off because the bill was not paid, not because you were upset with him for not wanting to visit with you.
- you said you'd filed reports with the Sheriffs and child services in Florida during the time you were absent from Gabriel's life (I've filed public records requests for any such reports - nothing was found).
- you said I was pretending to be Jewish.
- you said I suck in bed (yet in the last year of our relationship you were always the one to initiate and/or request sex ... hmm).
- you said Gabriel (and your other kid) brush their teeth twice a day.
- you said you're in the process of getting hired on at another company.
- you said you moved to your current residence "to be closer to work".
That's just off the top of my head. Shall I go on?
Oh, further to my previous email, I challenge you, again, to come up with one lie that I have made. And remember, the truth is not a lie, no matter how much you might wish it were.:)
So, no comment then? The list of lies provided is sufficient to establish that you are a compulsive liar?
I shall take you silence as concession. Thanks.
What about the child support papers? You should have received those with the divorce papers. The Declaration of Income and Expenses was filed this week as well.
Please let me know if you've not received that.
Fox
I received your income and expense declaration but nothing about child support.
That's all you would receive. The court will set the date for the hearing/trial and let us know. It should be within the next few months.
Before that time you'll receive a notice that you have to file an updated Declaration of Income and Expenses as well. You can do like you did last time and just not file it, in which case the court will base it on the amount I estimated your income as in my declaration.
I know I have to file a new Income Declaration. I haven't forgotten. It will be done before we appear in court. Thanks.
To be clear: You'll need to file both an FL-150 (for the child support petition) AND an FL-142 (for the dissolution of marriage petition). Or, you could do as you did last time and not respond to them.
Allow me to point out, that your whining about " ... that's a little more complicated with 2 kids Fox" is irrelevant because that's a situation you went out of your way to create. It's your own fault that you're a single parent pretending to take care of 2 children.
there's no pretending...I am taking care of 2 kids alone. And think this through logically...I didn't even receive a certified copy of the court order until June - right? Which means I would not have been able to get a passport for Gabriel before then. The certified copy was used to enroll him in school in July - at which point they unstapled the document to photocopy it...which means it would have been no good for the passport after then. So all your claims that I had this whole time to get it is false and I would have run into the same situation had I tried to get it any time prior. Not to mention that it would have caused me to apply for a passport multiple times which may have caused problems. I know you're going to respond with your stupid "See responses in line below" and then take each sentence out and respond to it individually but I don't care what you say. I'm just trying to get you to see that I didn't do this...I am not the cause of this.
I have a few minutes while I recompile some code. As always, I shall address your points in turn:
You are not fulfilling your parental responsibilities: you still have not taken Gabriel (or that other kid) to the doctor for a checkup, or to the dentist for his routine cleaning, et al. You are not providing Gabriel with the guidance and teaching that he will need to do well in life. You are not imparting your life experience and lessons on him so that he does not make the same mistakes you've made. Therefore, you are "pretending" to take care of 2 children. You have them in your custody, but you are not actually "raising" them.
From June until now is 5 months. If you had applied for the passport in September, when I first asked you then you would have discovered this problem you're currently having, back then and he'd have the passport by now. You took your usual approach of being deliberately difficult and refusing my request, and putting it off to the last minute. That's why you're in the position you're now in.
The staples have nothing to do with it. The document you have is not a "certified" copy. It's just a plain copy.
That's the point! You would have run into the problem 2 months ago - when you would have had time to do something about it. Are you starting to see the point now? The problem is that you have no time to fix it - because you refused to take care of it when you would have had time!
No! You would have done exactly the same thing you did this time. Except that you would have done it with enough time to correct it. The State Department would have sent you the same letter then you would have obtained the certified order and everything would have been fine. You would not have applied for the passport twice because you would have had it by now. Are you thick, or something?
Yes, because it's organized and makes sure each point is addressed in a civilized manner. It makes sense, rather than just rambling on about stuff that has nothing to do with anything.
Oh, okay. Then perhaps you can tell me who IS responsible for this? Because it sure as hell didn't just happen on its own. And since I have emails of you refusing to apply for Gabriel's passport prior to the order, and since I have an email of you promising that I will never be part of Gabriel's life anymore, then I don't see how it could be anyone else's fault. Have you EVER accepted the responsibility for ANYTHING you've ever done?