Financial situation
On Mon, Dec 03, 2012, 8:06 PM, Patrick Fox wrote:
Desiree: Do you have the time and financial resources to provide for Gabriel's needs in the event he were to relocate to Arizona over the winter break? And if so, are you able to provide proof of such? Fox
On Mon, Dec 03, 2012, 8:52 PM, Desiree Capuano wrote:
Absolutely.
On Mon, Dec 03, 2012, 9:01 PM, Desiree Capuano wrote:
Curious though - under what conditions would he hypothetically be relocating?
On Mon, Dec 03, 2012, 10:30 PM, Patrick Fox wrote:
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Please clarify what you mean by "conditions"? Are did you mean stipulations? One condition that would be absolutely required would be proof of financial stability, because over the last few months you've portrayed yourself as being in fairly critical financial hardship. And I cannot knowingly send Gabriel into an unstable environment. Fox
On Tue, Dec 04, 2012, 7:32 AM, Desiree Capuano wrote:
Right - not what I meant at all. And I've never attempted to give an impression of undo hardship. Yes, I have to budget and no, I can't spend money on whatever I want, but I make it work. What I meant was; would it be a temporary situation, would it be due to a job that you got, is the job a contract or perm, would you be looking for a relocation until March, etc...?
On Tue, Dec 04, 2012, 8:15 AM, Patrick Fox wrote:
It would be temporary - no change in custody status; it would be motivated only by economic necessity and my need to secure consistent income; I don't believe whether the job would be contract or permanent would be relevant; I'm not sure what you mean by "looking for a relocation until March". I believe your statements, such as having to wait until you receive your next paycheck before you can contribute $10-$15 to Gabriel's school supplies and then not sending said $10-$15 does create the impression that you're encountering substantial financial hardship. Fox
On Tue, Dec 04, 2012, 9:49 AM, Desiree Capuano wrote:
In sorry - I sent you 75 dollars last time which was 20 dollars over the amount you said you needed. Was there an addition cost that you neglected to tell me about?
On Tue, Dec 04, 2012, 10:23 AM, Patrick Fox wrote:
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Desiree: On October 21, 2012 I sent you an email with the subject line "Gabriel's school expenses", wherein I request at least half of the cost of some materials I needed to get him (at least $23). On October 22, 2012 I emailed you to let you know I had to exchange the biography he picked for another one. The original book was about $20. The replacement was $7.50. So at least half of the expenses, then, were only $15.75 (rather than the original $23). I have to admit, I find your implication that the $75 you sent was somehow sufficient, to be offensive. On September 8, 2012, I sent you an email listing a number of items I had to get Gabriel for school. The total in that email came to about $148 (3 pairs of pants and 3 shirts for school: $60; 2 phys ed uniforms: $46; one month bus pass: $24; additional work supplies for school which were not on the original list: $18). Half of which is $74. So, the money order that you sent only covered half of those specific supplies. No haircuts; the next few monthly bus passes; day-to-day costs (food, electricity, gas, water, etc.). In response to your statement: "Was there an addition cost that you neglected to tell me about?"...Yes. His day-to-day cost of living, for one. The cost of putting money aside to cover his university tuition in 6-7 years; his monthly bus passes; haircuts; new jeans every few months because the cheap $15 ones he has wear out so quickly...but these are ongoing expenses that are just part of taking care of a child. These are not unexpected costs that you should have to be notified of in order to be expected to contribute to. You know what? Forget everything I said at the beginning of this thread. There is no way I can, in good conscience, put Gabriel (against his will) into your care. I would rather be homeless, living in a shelter, with Gabriel, than to willingly subject him to your mindset and way of thinking. Fox
On Tue, Dec 04, 2012, 10:55 AM, Desiree Capuano wrote:
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This of course does not include the court ordered winter visitation schedule. You are only recanting your idea of potentially having him relocate temporarily to Arizona while you're busy right?
On Tue, Dec 04, 2012, 11:27 AM, Patrick Fox wrote:
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Desiree: Regarding your inquiry: "You are only recanting your idea of potentially having him relocate temporarily to Arizona while you're busy right?" No. Regarding the "court ordered visitation": my position has not changed. I am still awaiting CPS's recommendation. I have just been in contact with them and provided them the latest findings/discoveries and updated them on the status of the situation. I will keep you posted as I find out more.
On Tue, Dec 04, 2012, 12:29 PM, Patrick Fox wrote:
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Desiree: I wish to address a statement you made in your last email. Perhaps it was just a poor choice of words but the way it's phrased I would consider it consistent with what I believe about your way of thinking so I don't think it was just a poor choice of words. You said "...while you're busy right?". I want to clarify that I would NEVER, NEVER send Gabriel to reside somewhere other than with me because I was "busy"! Any thought that I may have had about having Gabriel stay in Arizona temporarily would have been out of economic necessity - due to my NEED to obtain consistent income in order to provide for my, and his, needs, and the current prohibition on taking him out of California. Not because it would be more convenient for me to take an out of town position without bringing him. "I" (emphasis) would NEVER pass off the responsibility of a child, or do anything that might give a child the impression I was putting him aside, unless it was ABSOLUTELY necessary and unavoidable, and not doing so would lead to imminent harm. It's just not an option! In my opinion, only the lowest, most selfish and disdainful type of person would do something like that to their own children (you can decide for yourself whether I'm alluding to anything or anyone with that statement). Fox
On Tue, Dec 04, 2012, 1:17 PM, Desiree Capuano wrote:
So...you are recanting your initial idea of relocation correct?
On Tue, Dec 04, 2012, 1:29 PM, Patrick Fox wrote:
Desiree: I don't believe it's possible to recant an idea. No proposal was offered and I made no statement to the effect of Gabriel being in your care as a result of relocating to Arizona. If you read the original email you will see I only inquired about your financial resources and ability to provide for Gabriel's needs if he were to relocate to Arizona during his winter break. I did not state, or even imply, that he would be relocating for the purpose of residing with you. I also did not state, or imply, that I would not be relocating with him. I believe those are inferences that you made. So, to answer your question, no, I do not recant anything that I have stated in this email thread. Fox
On Tue, Dec 04, 2012, 1:34 PM, Desiree Capuano wrote:
Oh. Makes total sense. Thank you.
On Tue, Dec 04, 2012, 1:36 PM, Patrick Fox wrote:
I'm sorry, are you being sarcastic or sincere? Fox