Gabriel's iPod, and Sage's calls
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012, 4:57 PM, Patrick Fox wrote:
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Desiree: Gabriel asked me if I could call you or send you an email to ask you if you could send him his iPod. So, on behalf of Gabriel: May you send him his iPod? I did tell Gabriel each time that Sage called the other day. The first time, he came home about ten seconds after Sage called and I told him as soon as he walked in the door. The second time, I told him the moment he got out of the shower (about 3 minutes after Sage called). Both times, he replied that he didn't want to talk to him. Wouldn't you know, Sage just called right now as I'm righting this. You have (indirectly) stated in your prior emails that you do not want my help so I will not waste both of our time explaining why Gabriel has consistently expressed a lack of interest in maintaining any relations with Sage. Fox
On Sun, Apr 15, 2012, 6:56 PM, Desiree Capuano wrote:
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Possibly because you don't promote or support it...but that's just a thought. I will ship it to him as soon as I have the money to. I get paid every 2 weeks and all my money is gone from the spring break trip and clothes shopping I unexpectedly took care of. I will call Gabriel tomorrow (Monday) evening to speak with him. Thank you.
On Sun, Apr 15, 2012, 7:40 PM, Patrick Fox wrote:
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Thank you. Regarding the "clothes you unexpectedly took care of": you stated in your own words that Gabriel is not your responsibility when he is not with you and that you will provide for his necessities when he IS with (see your email dated 3-30-2012, 8:48am). Clothing IS a necessity. Therefore, I don't know why your having to purchase him clothes for when he is there would be unexpected. I'm thinking your belief is that your financial obligations cover only his food and shelter, and only when he is in your physical care. Does that sound about right? Regarding my promoting relations with Sage: You're right, I don't like Gabriel associating with undisciplined, spoiled, obnoxious, undignified, poor mannered, kids who have no respect for, or courtesy toward other people and their belongings. I think Gabriel doesn't appreciate Sage always going in his room; or bothering him when he's on the phone; or touching his things. But a child is usually just a product of their environment, and usually mimic the behavior of the parental figures around them. I'll let Gabriel know that you said you'll be sending his iPod. Fox
On Sun, Apr 15, 2012, 8:18 PM, Desiree Capuano wrote:
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I guess that depends on your definition of "necessity." Perhaps since we're dealing with a human being and not a piece of code we should define what is necessary - but that is now irrelevant as I took care of the clothing. I am further confused by your statement that I refuse to contribute to anything while he's not with me. As it stands every single request for monetary assistance you have made I have complied with, including the bill for the emergency room visit after I have valid proof - sorry that your word is not enough for me at this point. Maybe you would care to list out each and every single instance that I have refused to help, contribute, accommodate, or fund something that has been asked of me with the exception of just blatantly giving you money while stopping any advance to spend time with Gabriel. Anyway - spout all you want, it won't change anything. As far as Gabriel and Sage are concerned - they share a room. Unless Gabriel requests a lock-box to keep his precious action figures in, it is near impossible to keep his belongings from being touched. Think how difficult it would be if Liz suddenly stated that she didn't like you or Gabriel always going in her room; or bothering her when she's on the phone; or touching her things. I would think that's a little strict of him to demand for a place he never wants to be and only gets to visit a third of the year. But you're right, he is a product of that environment isn't he.
On Sun, Apr 15, 2012, 10:36 PM, Patrick Fox wrote:
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Desiree: 1. It is not necessary for us to agree on a definition for "necessity" because it is already clearly defined and generally accepted in a legal context. Check any dictionary and you will find something like the following: "something that is absolutely needed, or required". There are three basic necessities for human existence: food, shelter, and clothing. And for children, there are two more which the parents are responsible for: education and medical care. Ah, forget it, I'm tired of having to teach you the law. All of these stupid games you're playing are going to show the court what you really are come September. Are you really going to try to convince that court that you don't consider clothing a basic necessity for your child? You're such a fucking idiot. Oh, I'm sorry - that's my opinion. 2. Regarding the payment for the medical care: again, you're proving to the court the kind of parent you really are. Your obligation is to pay the percentage of the medical expenses proportionate to our respective incomes. Right now I have no income and you have almost $60K. That means that you are required to pay for the entire cost of that trip to the hospital. The 50% thing was me being reasonable. But fuck being reasonable anymore, if you're going to continue with these incredibly ill-advised games and tactics then to hell with you - I'm fed up with trying to be reasonable then having to deal with this kind of stupidity. Anyway, I've sent you a copy of the bill and you refuse to pay anything toward it. It doesn't matter if you think I'm going to use the money for myself or pay the bill - the court is going to see your actions as a blatant refusal to accept your responsibilities. See, if you sent me the money and I used on it myself and didn't pay the bill then you could complain to the court, however, you cannot just refuse to pay your part based on an unfounded claim that I'm going to use the money for myself. Again, that's not how the law works. Where do you get your legal advise from? I bet if you told an attorney what you are doing he would tell you to immediately stop. But go ahead and keep playing your games. You're doing an excellent job of shooting yourself in the foot. Please try to limit your response to point which are relevant. Fox
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012, 8:56 AM, Patrick Fox wrote:
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Desiree: In response to your declaration that you have not refused to contribute to anything when Gabriel is not with you because you have complied with every request for monetary assistance: I hereby submit to you a written, formal request for financial assistance for Gabriel's well being, medical care and education. Based on your income of $58,000 a year and Gabriel's current and upcoming expenses I believe that $500 a month is more than reasonable. This is an all inclusive amount and cover's his food, clothing, shelter, tuition, transportation, et cetera. You can accept this amount or refuse it, but in the long run it will be a hell of a lot lower than what you will have to pay when you factor in his private school tuition, university tuition (that's only 7 years away), the cost of his portion of rent when I move back to Redondo Beach or Marina del Rey (or where ever I move to). As it stands at this moment the court is going to order you to pay about $713 a month until I start working. That's more than $200 a month higher than what I'm requesting. And you can forget about your unfounded and ridiculous claims that you don't trust me and you believe I'm going to use the money for myself. First, you have no basis for that claim. You can show no history of me doing anything like that. Second, I have always made sure that Gabriel has been provided for, even when I haven't had enough for myself. No one can point to one time I put myself before Gabriel, to his detriment. Third, the amount that you pay, or will be ordered by the court to pay, is deemed to be an average. If you pay $500 a month I am not required to spend that entire $500 each month. Some expenses come up every 6 months or 12 months and that monthly payment is also supposed to cover those. Whatever doesn't get spent stays in his savings account until it is required. Fourth, I am smart enough to keep receipts for everything that the money is used for so that when you make your ridiculous and unfounded claims that I am using the money for myself I can show exactly where every cent has gone. Of course, I would expect that you would do the same. You also suggest, [above], that you will not have the $2.50 it would cost to send Gabriel his iPod until you receive your next paycheck. Are you serious? I figured you were living paycheck to paycheck (it's the WT way, after all), but am I to believe that you've been working, full-time, for the same huge company, for 4 years, receiving the highest raises possible each year (that's your own boast, by the way) yet you have been unable to save a single penny? And you have the audacity to try insult me because of my current financial hardship? At least I have an excuse - I've been in custody for 4 years and have an unexplainable hole in my resume. What could possibly be your excuse. Sorry, I'm not trying to insult you, I'm just a little shocked that at $58k, with the Phoenix cost of living, that you have been unable to accumulate ANY savings over a 4 year period. And, I was going to inform you that there is no connection between a parent's obligation to provide financial support for their child and that parent's right to visit or spend time with the child...but I'm tired of trying to teach you the law. Go look it up yourself. The two are completely separate issues before the court and one does not affect the other. Many parents figure they'll stop paying their child support because the other parent is making it difficult to see the child. You know what happens? The parent that stops paying support goes to jail for up to 6 months for contempt of court. I have not done a single thing to interfere with your contact with Gabriel (once again, I am the one responsible for putting you two in contact). My petition to require supervised visitation is based on your drug use, and now on the very credible belief that you are a bad parent - based on the details of yours and Kristopher's arrests. Contrary to your claims that you keep your drugs in a safe, secure place where the children cannot get at them, the police report states the drugs were in the vanity in your room - not locked up. If they were locked up then the police wouldn't have been able to find them, would they? Do you disagree with my concerns? If the situation were reversed and I was doing something that you believed put Gabriel in danger would you take no action? You consistently tell the court that I'm putting Gabriel in danger because I can be arrested at any time and deported (meanwhile, you and Kristopher are the one's getting arrest - nice job). Nevertheless, as I've said, if you quit using drugs and could show that you were not keeping drugs anywhere that Gabriel could come in contact with them, and that your are not engaging in activities which could result in you being arrested (or Kristopher being arrested while Gabriel is with him) then I would have no problem with his visitation schedule. Fox
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012, 2:35 PM, Desiree Capuano wrote:
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Do you ever get tired of talking out of your ass?
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012, 3:01 PM, Patrick Fox wrote:
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Your response does not address my request for assistance in the financial support of Gabriel. Please either accept or refuse the request so that we have something final and definite. If you do not provide a response to the request shall accept that as a denial of the request. That way you needn't feel obligated to respond. Thank you. I'm unclear. Which statements do you believe are coming out of my ass? There seems to be 3 common meanings of the term "talking out of your ass" ( http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=talking%20out%20of %20your%20ass ) and I don't see how any of them apply to what I've said. Fox