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On Mon, Apr 02, 2012, 1:28 PM, Kristopher Lauchner wrote:
I don't need to tell Gabriel you're a dead-beat mother. He can see it all himself.affects me and only me. You are responsible for paying half of the bill but if it doesn't get paid it doesn't affect your credit. So stop playing your little trailer park games and accept your responsibilities.Sent fNow, can you tell me how it is that you have money to keep buying the latest $60 video games but you can't afford to support your child? I know you're so incredibly white trash that you think I would take that money and use it for myself (because I'm sure that's exactly what you would do), however, I'm not white trash and I do put Gabriel's needs ...
On Mon, Apr 02, 2012, 3:38 PM, Patrick Fox wrote:
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I shall address each point in turn, as civilized people do.Desiree was the one that implied I am filling Gabriel's head with ideas that she is a dead-beat mother. That was my response. It is a statement of fact. I do not need to put anything in Gabriel's head in that respect because he sees it for himself. A dead-beat parent is one who has the means to contribute to the financial well-being of their child but refuses to do so. That is exactly what Desiree is doing. She would rather spend money on an attorney to avoid paying any kind of support than to put that money toward Gabriel. She spends money on video games and marijuana and a $1200 month 3 bedroom house rather than Gabriel. Is that not the definition of a dead-beat parent?On Mon, 2012-04-02 at 13:28 -0700, Kris Lauchner wrote:I don't need to tell Gabriel you're a dead-beat mother. He can see it all himself.Again, these are facts. It is my name on the bill, not hers. And her insistent refusal to contribute to these types of expenses is typical of trailer park/white trash parents. I say she is playing games because in her email dated 3/9/12 she said if I send her a copy of the receipt or the request for payment she would provide an amount equaling half the cost. When I sent her the bill she the changed her story and refused to send me any money. Am I wrong in accusing her of playing games - games which are typical of trailer park parents? Respectable, dignified parents don't play these games. They accept their responsibilities and look out for the interests of their children. In her attempts to be difficult with me she has been making Gabriel suffer. How is that not ghetto?affects me and only me. You are responsible for paying half of the bill but if it doesn't get paid it doesn't affect your credit. So stop playing your little trailer park games and accept your responsibilities.Is this not true? Is Desiree not spending money on video games, drugs, lawyers, and other unnecessary things while Gabriel goes without things that would help or benefit him?Sent fNow, can you tell me how it is that you have money to keep buying the latest $60 video games but you can't afford to support your child? I know you're so incredibly white trash that you think I would take that money and use it for myself (because I'm sure that's exactly what you would do), however, I'm not white trash and I do put Gabriel's needs ...Let's take a moment to consider the definition and behavioral traits of "white trash". First, I refer you to Wikipedia's page on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_trash . Granted, their definition is a little harsh. Now, have a look at this insightful article: http://nortonbooks.typepad.com/everydaysociology/2009/04/what-is-white-trash.html . Perhaps you will find this page interesting: http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message791842/pg1 . So, some of the common characteristics of white trash are: 1. High divorce rate (Desiree is working on her third marriage now and she's only 31). 2. Inability to advance financially - regardless of income, due to always spending more than they have and abusing credit. (I've seen her financials, I don't think there's more needed to say here). 3. Irresponsible handling of money and financial priorities (marijuana, video games and pool leagues are more important than children's clothing). 4. Frequently moving due to being evicted or not paying rent. (Desiree's had, what 4 or 5 addresses since moving to Phoenix). 5. Rushing into relationships and living with their partners. (How long did you and Desiree know each other before you moved in together). 6. Infidelity (Let me guess, you and Desiree started going out before she broke up with Michael. It's not the first time and I don't think it will be the last) 7. Lots of dogs and other pets (but mostly dogs) even though they can't support themselves and their children. (How many dogs does she have now?). 8. Messy homes, lot's of trash and clutter. (I've seen pictures of the condo and the house) 9. Unambitious. (Okay, she went to community college, it's a start...oh, but wait, the State of Florida paid for it...and now she's wasting her knowledge of Oracle at a job that pays about $20,000 a year less than market for her skills...okay, yeah, I think this trait is met). 10. Marijuana use. (Trailer park and white trash people really love their weed. Check.) 11. Multiple children from different fathers/mothers. (Yep. But at least she had the decency to marry them before the children were born.) 12. Eagerness to have the government pay their way. (I refer you, again, to who paid for her associate's degree, and her eagerness to claim Gabriel on her taxes). 13. Continuously repeating the same bad habits and mistakes rather than identifying their flaws and improving themselves. (Consider, Michael, I and you are all about the same age; she seems to be following in her mother's path with respect to marriage and child raising, there's a great role model). 14. Mismatched dishes. (Tell me, do your dishes match or are they a hodge podge of individual plates collected over time) 15. Pool leagues. (Yeah, I'm sorry but white trash people really love playing pool in bars. Though, not everybody who likes pool is white trash) 16. Tattoos. White trash people love tattoos. Especially those trite ones, like at the bottom of their back, or the arm band, or, heaven forbid, the finger band, done in plain black prison ink. Nothing says white trash more than tattoos on the hands, neck, face or other plainly visible areas. (Doesn't Desiree have one on her finger now?) 17. Irrational, overly emotional behavior. White trash people love to overdramatize things and blow them out of proportion. Sound familiar. 18. No real loyalties to anyone. White trash people can be your best friend one day then completely turn on you the next day. (Desiree will be the sweetest, nicest person to you as long as she's getting her way and lots of attention. Just don't side against her in an argument.) 19. No sense of loyalty or obligation to their children. White trash people will turn away from their children like nothing. (Time will tell on this one, but I can remind you of two things: 1) she left Gabriel in Phoenix to go back to Michael, and 2) she turned on Gabriel when he said he wasn't comfortable going to San Diego) 20. Criminal behavior. (Possession of marijuana on at least two occasions, forgery, money laundering, destroying evidence, and whatever else I haven't found out about yet - I'm still waiting on the results of my requests from the Phoenix PD, the MCSO, and Pinellas County). 21. Involvement of CPS. (Desiree has admitted on numerous occasions that she has attempted to involve CPS.) 22. Refusal to consider the consequences of their actions. (Consider some of her decisions over the last year.) 23. Refusal to consider how their actions will affect others. (See 22) 24. Making bad choices that usually result in them getting into a pickle and needing to be bailed out by others. (yeah, enough said there, huh) 25. Bad skin, hair and teeth. Not a strict requirement but typical amongst white trash. 26. Cheap clothing, and lots of it. Tell me, when you look in the closet do you see lots of polyester/rayon blend items from Target, WalMart, and similar stores; or fewer 100% cotton, linen, silk, quality brand items (say, Ralph Lauren, Hugo Boss, Calvin Klein)? I'm willing to bet there is a lot of polyester in her closet. Well, I guess that's a sufficient list for now. I haven't even gotten into the list of typical behavior and mannerisms (for example, the screaming, cutting people off when trying to have a civilized debate as though interrupting and drowning out your opponent is a valid debate tactic, plopping the kids in front of the TV while they get high in the bedroom, Budweiser, Nascar, monster trucks, Jethro Tull, Led Zepplin, Jack Daniels, young children with long hair (I've seen the pictures of Sage), cut off jean shorts, dirty t-shirts, children playing outside with no shoes on, babies outside in just their diapers, slapping their kids in the grocery store, et cetera). So, tell me, how many of these characteristics does Desiree have? And I have even more disdain for white trash people because I grew up white trash but I realized how pathetic and disgusting it was and so I rose above it and put it behind me. If I could do it so could most other people. Especially anyone with decent intelligence. And Desiree is certainly intelligent. But, people generally gravitate to what they're familiar with and what they know. So, she's happy being white trash and she stays where she's happy. Good for her. If she was not white trash then she would not consider it disrespectful if I say she is. If you call me white trash I would "whatever", because I know I'm not. If it upset her, or you, it is only because you know it's true and you see yourself as inferior because of it. I'm not saying you're inferior - I'm talking about self perception. I don't care if Desiree says I sucked in bed, or that I'm short, or can't fight, or that I'm not a man because I can't provide for Gabriel at this exact moment, or if she says you're a better, more capable man than I am. For 2 reasons: 1) her opinion means nothing to me, and 2) I'm secure with who I am. So, I don't believe that my statements were in any way disrespectful. If Desiree or you say something about me that is true I would not consider it disrespectful - it's just the truth. For example, if you say I have bad hair and stubby thumbs, I am likely to agree. If you say I'm short, or have ear hear, well darn, that's true too. If you say I am cold, unfeeling, insensitive, or methodical then I would say you're absolutely correct. But if you say I have ever been deliberately mean or disrespectful to Desiree, or that I have ever done anything that would harm Gabriel, or that I've not been the best parent I was capable of being, or that I ever did anything to traumatize Desiree or make her feel bad about yourself (which I didn't believe to be completely true) then I would have to say that you are either misinformed or blatantly wrong. I sincerely believe that Desiree is acting the way she is in order to try to hurt me or to be difficult to spite me. I don't believe she has any real interest in Gabriel. I believe this because of her actions. She rarely calls Gabriel. She showed no interest on why I had to take him to the hospital. She doesn't ask about how he's doing in school. She seems to be much more interested in doing things that she thinks will annoy me or upset me. But, unfortunately, for her she is not capable of being anything more than a minor nuisance to me. In part, because I have no emotional bond with her. Whether she lives or dies makes very little difference to me. These ridiculously time consuming correspondences almost invariably result from my attempts to get her to own up to her responsibilities. She has the ridiculous belief that if she sent money for Gabriel I would spend it on myself. But that is a white trash thing to do and I shun anything white trash. Since I have been out of custody I have not asked Liz for anything for myself. I don't believe in being supported by others. It is pathetic that Desiree is willing to make Gabriel suffer or go without because of her petty issues with me (whatever those issues are). And it's further pathetic that she insists on trying to portray me as being mean, vindictive or cruel to her. I was the one that initiated the contact between her and Gabriel - she was the one that then took advantage of my trust and attempted to take Gabriel to Phoenix behind my back. When she had to return Gabriel in November I still agreed to the visitation terms that Gabriel wanted even though I had nothing to gain by it and it would mean that I would never have the opportunity to take a vacation with Gabriel. The only reason I am seeking child support is for Gabriel's benefit. I don't want Gabriel to have to suffer because I'm having difficulty securing a project when, meanwhile, he has a mother that is perfectly able to send him a couple hundred dollars a month for clothes, or for him to get some things he's like. But she had made it perfectly clear that she would not do that. She tries to make it seem like my typical lifestyle is that of a mooch. As if I've always been needy and I'd take advantage of other people's generosity. But, I think it's obvious that what she's doing is projecting her own ethics on me. And the only reason I am seeking to change the visitation is because of the drug use. Had I known about the drug use earlier I would not have agreed to the current visitation plan. And, if she were not using drugs I would have no problem with the schedule (after all, I was the one that first agreed to it - she only proposed when she realized it was the best she could get). And then, after all her talk about how your crimes were a long time ago and you're not like that anymore - I find out about the arrest on November 1. You and I both know that a person rarely gets caught the first time. If the police know about two or three instances then, probably, there were at least 8 or 9 times (or more) that were not reported. And all the while I'm listening to her tell the court that she's worried I can be arrested at any time and that's not a good environment for Gabriel and that she can provide him a much better, safer environment. Meanwhile, both you and her were being arrested - one of those times Gabriel was in the car with you and the police almost arrested her again for possession when she arrived to pick up the kids and had a "box" in her purse (is there any reason she couldn't leave the "box" at home or in the car?). Should that not be infuriating to me? So, I think the problem is not so much with me being disrespectful as it is with Desiree knowing that she is, in reality, white trash and she is insecure about that - yet she doesn't strive to rise above it. If she didn't exhibit the characteristics commonly associated with white trash people then I could not effectively claim that she is white trash and my assertions would be meaningless. Much like your attempts to insult me by calling me Canadian. Those comments don't bother me because I'm not Canadian and even if I was Canadian I would have worked to rise above that stigma as well. Maybe, if the District Court ever decides to vacate the perjury and false personation convictions (which I highly doubt they will do) I can be tried for some kind of identity theft but as long as those convictions stand, that old res judicata bars all other US courts from trying me for illegally using the identity of a Canadian named Richard Riess. And since I started using the name legally, and exclusively in 1996, then at the time of Gabriel's birth my legal name, under California law, was Richard Riess. Sorry, I segued. FoxJust to name a few.. If you contend the use of the term white trash or trailer park in the context you use them is not disrespectful then your just a liar or an idiot. I'm now not certain which one myself
On Mon, Apr 02, 2012, 5:47 PM, Kristopher Lauchner wrote:
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That was a very detailed, well itemized long list of stereotype one would learn watching the Jerry Springer show. So a few of your descriptions and explanations can certainly be conceded, though I'm sure the trailer park people of America would be rather offended of your take on them. It's clearly an insiders viewpoint, I wouldn't know because I've never lived in a trailer park. I do however remember several sexual adventures with a cohabiter of one. She certainly seemed to fit the bill as you've described it. But I'm sorry, Desi is the MOST loyal person I've ever encountered, and the most dedicated person to personal growth and.. THE most ethical and inherently moral person I've met. Oh, I'm sure many can create a believable facade of such attributes, but Desi is real. I don't know the person you describe, and don't think I'd care to. I'm sorry your so consumed with prejudice and distain that a few of her impulsive actions have solidified your opinion of her, but it really is of no consequence because you are not a part of our lives beyond being Gabriel's father. You are not in a relationship with Desiree, and will never bear that burden again; which is why its odd that you still have such clear and affected memories of a decade old relationship. Desi was separated for 3 months before she and I met. She lived alone with Sage ( who btw hasn't had long hair for 2.5 years) I must go and purchase your son his new wardrobe, but if you'd like I will refute the rest of your claims later Sent from my iPhone
On Mon, Apr 02, 2012, 6:40 PM, Patrick Fox wrote:
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A stereotype is "something conforming to a fixed or general pattern". Therefore, a stereotype based on a person's lifestyle choices, personality, and/or behavior is not necessarily a negative thing and is usually both reliable and accurate. If the mannerisms that I've listed are common and consistent amongst the vast majority of a given group of people and we label that group of people "white trash" based on their exhibiting that behavior and those mannerisms then it is logical and reasonable to conclude that a specific individual who exhibits those same mannerisms and behaviors fairly consistently with the other members of said group can, and should, be classified with that group within that context. Given the number of traits that Desiree has in common with the typical member of the white trash community I believe it is reasonable to categorize her as a member of that group. If she wishes to no longer be so she can easily identify the common characteristics which she shares with them and begin to change her behavior and her perceptions to transition into some other category of society. My current perception of Desiree is based on her actions and behavior from July of 2011 until now. Prior to that point I believed she was a different person. But, just as you say, a person can put up a facade for a period of time but eventually their true self will come out - usually when they're put in a stressful or crisis situation. In July 2011 Desiree starting acting the same way she did in 2001 and so my perception of her quickly deteriorated. Then she started with the false allegations and the manipulation again. Most of her allegations against me do not stand up to any scrutiny - as I'm sure you're noticed. The few impulsive decisions you are referring to are much more significant than I think you are presenting them as. Her taking Gabriel in August is a perfect example of not considering how her actions will affect others. There is no way she could have considered how that would have (or has) affected Gabriel. I am judging Desiree on her recent and current actions. Her refusal to accept her responsibilities; her quickness at lodging false allegations against me; her attempts to manipulate people by presenting an incredibly skewed version of the things that have happened. Her behavior when she came to take Gabriel in August was amazingly white trash - I've heard about it from the neighbors. And her incessant lying - she still insists that she applied for the marijuana card before her arrest, however the date is right on the application she submitted to the court; she still insists that I hid Gabriel for 9 years. You say she is the most loyal person you know - but I'm pretty sure that loyalty hasn't been tested yet. Look, people usually don't change. They usually keep doing what they've always done. What she has done before she will likely do again. Anyway, I don't think any of this is going to matter much soon because the most probable outcome is going to be that you're going to be prosecuted for the counterfeiting (and whatever other charges are going to be discovered and applied); you're likely going to take a plea for a reduced charge, but with your priors you're likely going to be looking at a long time. Sorry, but I'm just looking at the most probable scenarios. As for Desiree the prosecutor is going to find out about her priors, she'll probably be able to continue with TASC, but statistically very few people who are long time or regular drug users complete TASC, so she'll likely fail at least one test; the prosecutor will recalendar her case; after your incarceration she'll go through a period of self pity where she'll increase her usage; eventually she'll take a plea for 3 years of probation. Within the next two years she'll either get another possession or a dui. But this is just speculation and if there's one thing I don't know it's trailer park people, right. I'm not trying to bother you, I'm showing you why I'm not concerned in the long term. I've also never lived in a trailer park. The terms "trailer park", "white trash", and "ghetto" are essentially interchangeable. I believe Desiree and Michael lived in a trailer park for a period of time. Fox
On Mon, Apr 02, 2012, 7:26 PM, Kristopher Lauchner wrote:
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Well l certainly hope you're wrong about that. Not that I need to plea my case, but you're speculations are far off base my friend. I never used or possessed any counterfeit. If you look at the documents you purchased you'll see the original charges were voided, the amendment took place 2 weeks after the incident date nov.1. The DA passed up prosecution due to lack of evidence. And the secret service will not prosecute any such case where the alleged value falls under $10,000. You may have hope for me possibly jaywalking, or breaking some noise ordinance on my fatboy ( let me guess, that's white trash also). No, I think Desi and I will be just fine, and you will unfortunately step on your dick again and end up prosecuted for perjury once again. You just recently identified Steve Riess as your father, you can't even stay in character. Not that I want any of that to happen to you, cause you will be detained for a much longer period this time. I'll tell you again Fox, I like you for my part. I won't allow you to bring stress and aggravation into the woman I live with, but I have no personal dislike towards you. You are different, recluse for sure.. But I've always found the exceptional people in life to be most fascinating Sent from my iPhone
On Mon, Apr 02, 2012, 7:45 PM, Patrick Fox wrote:
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Sorry, I've never identified Steve Riess as being any relation to me. If you have evidence to the contrary feel free to show it to me. For your legal matters I say best of luck to you. It seems that the charges you're considering "voided" are duplicates. As for the minimum limit of $10,000 for the SS investigate and prosecute counterfeiting I'm not aware of any such limit. The last I checked (on Friday) the County Attorney had not passed up on prosecution for lack of evidence. At that time they said the case was "under review". Perhaps they changed their minds after I spoke to them. Fox
On Mon, Apr 02, 2012, 8:06 PM, Kristopher Lauchner wrote:
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I don't think the county attorney is going to share any information with a felon who isn't a citizen to boot. And if they were, that would be a serious violation of my rights as a citizen. I'll have to inquire about that. Could you please provide the name and title of whomever you spoke with? And let's try and not cross that one particular line you and I both know exists. Let that one go Fox, it's really not worth your interest and the interest you then provoke Sent from my iPhone
On Mon, Apr 02, 2012, 8:52 PM, Patrick Fox wrote:
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I recommend you familiarize yourself with ARS sections 39-121 through 39-126, Arizona's public records laws (http://www.azleg.gov/ArizonaRevisedStatutes.asp?Title=39). The MCAO will not release information regarding a particular case while that case is pending, but providing the status of a case to ANY person is not a violation of any law. Whether the person inquiring is a felon is not material. Nor is the person's citizenship status. None of your rights have been violated. Likewise, every document filed with the court is public record (for example, the documents filed in Desiree's drug case). Regarding the "line" that you referred to, I am assuming that your talking about cooperating with, or providing information to, law enforcement - or what you might call "ratting". I am not a criminal and do not live by the criminal code of conduct. In the greater part of society people are not classified as "rats". Only criminals make that distinction. But don't worry, I have no intention of making your (Kristopher's) situation any worse or more difficult than you have already done on your own. My purpose is only to gather information for my own use in my pursuits of ensuring Gabriel's protection and well being. Fox